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hello and welcome to episode number 62

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of the point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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over the course of the history of this

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podcast we've covered events and

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experiences that are so bizarre

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seemingly irrational and even absurd

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that one can't help but come away from

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an exhaustive examination of this data

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wondering how on earth it fits into our

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notion of reality at all

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put simply i don't think it does

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but not because the data is somehow an

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error

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after all at this point there's simply

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too much of it with too much

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cross-cultural consistency for that to

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be the case

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even allowing for a healthy dose of

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filtering for cases involving

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misrepresentation misapprehension

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and or mental

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instability now it being the case that

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this is a bona fide phenomenon happening

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to real people in real ways and has been

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since time immemorial

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the problem must lie not in the data but

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in our very conceptions of reality

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in today's episode we'll be unwrapping

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this enigma even further but not in the

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form of a new case we'll be studying but

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rather in the form of questions and

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answers

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the questions submitted this time around

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for this inquiring mind feature were

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again of the highest caliber and my

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thanks go out to all who took the time

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to submit a question

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since i don't have the time to answer

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all the questions submitted in this

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podcast i've chosen to engage with

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several that i think will help us keep

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our eye on this central question

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regarding the nature of reality

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and with that in mind let's get right to

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it in this the third installment of the

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inquiring mind in this the 60 second

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all right let's get right to it question

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number one is worded as follows so i've

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been considering how old the universe is

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and the probability of other life having

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developed out there

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i was wondering if you'd ever come

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across any calculations of statistical

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probability of other life having formed

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out there somewhere

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also more interesting to me is if life

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has evolved to be intelligent and

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visited us in one form or another

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what is the probability it would be at a

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similar level of development as we are

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currently i don't know the answers to

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these questions and i'm not particularly

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mathematically minded but it seems to me

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that it'd be most likely that life would

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be a lot more advanced than us

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a lot could be millions or even billions

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of years

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meaning the chances of another life form

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being at a very similar level to us in

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the same narrow window of a few hundred

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years almost seems absurd given the

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vastness of time that has passed since

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the universe began

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comparing technology even with a

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difference of only a few hundred years

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would be close to the point of being

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indistinguishable from magic

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so what hope can we realistically have

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of understanding its origins or intent

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perhaps there could be a level that they

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get to where they move beyond the need

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for any presence in the material

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universe and exist outside of that

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the statistical side is interesting to

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me as it's quantifiable and the

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speculative side also interesting as it

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allows one to imagine

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what's possible

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this is a great question and has many

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aspects to it a lot to unravel this

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could certainly be an entire podcast

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episode on its own

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and i have addressed a few of these

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notions before but it's good to sort of

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capture it in one answer here

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he's right the chances are very low that

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if we were being visited by an

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intelligence that's not human supposedly

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the chances that the technology would

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just look sophisticated to us seems

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unlikely because that would imply as he

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that they are only you know decades or a

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the technology would likely be at a

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point where we wouldn't even recognize

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it as technology it would simply look

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much our technology has changed over the

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very quickly we went from a horse and

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buggy to rocket ships leaving our solar

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system within about a hundred years so

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hundred years thousands of years

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because of the age of the universe some

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of these civilizations could even be

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billions of years beyond us

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and to be quite frank at that point we

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can't even imagine we can't even begin

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to conceive what that would look like in

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terms of technology it's just so beyond

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the pale that we can't even go there

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but again the chances are very low that

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it would just look like sophisticated

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craft to us

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which again raises some interesting

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implications is it possible that they

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are dumbing down their manifestations so

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as to look a certain way to us to play

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into our cultural expectations

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that's possible

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craft that are being spotted are

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actually physical in nature but they

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arise from some sort of intelligence

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that exists on the earth and some sort

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of shadow biome a kind of other humanoid

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species that's existed here perhaps in

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the oceans or whatnot whose

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history the length of their history the

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length of their civilization might be

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closer to ours because of that because

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they are also an earthly intelligence

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now in terms of the original question

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around the chances that life is formed

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expanse of the cosmos

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this is pretty much a slam dunk the

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numbers are just so astronomical pun

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assuming that the chemical interactions

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across the universe are the same

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although it would adapt differently

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prevalent throughout the cosmos in

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millions of planets easily and this of

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course leads to the so-called fermi

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paradox which says if life should be

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haven't we seen any sign of it why have

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we not picked up any evidence that these

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civilizations exist

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now part of the problem there is that

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there are some assumptions made with the

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fermi paradox or behind the fermi

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paradox that have since been questioned

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by some groups for instance for a long

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time with our civilization as we grew in

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our sophistication and our technology

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our footprint became larger and larger

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it would have become more and more

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obvious to other planetary civilizations

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or other civilizations even existing in

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spacecraft perhaps permanently that we

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existed because we were putting out so

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much energy into the cosmos it became

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apparent that we were there

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but of course that also is tied to a

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level of development and as time goes on

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eventually that begins to change and as

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sophistication moves into its next epoch

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then actually the footprint can decrease

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and in fact there is some people who

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have even suggested that what we might

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have here is an example of so-called

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actually addressed in one podcast

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suggests that at some point

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civilizations advance to the point where

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they can actually reduce their footprint

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they move into a micro environment

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because remember space and size is

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relative if you can make yourself

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microscopic if you can shrink down your

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entire footprint you reduce the amount

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of energy you have to produce to sustain

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yourselves and you could exist in a

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space that is so tiny that it becomes

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largely undetectable for any

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civilization that's still living in the

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previous kind of iteration

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that some civilizations may progress to

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the point where they transcend the need

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that some of these light beings that

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have been encountered while some of them

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suggest they've always been that way

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others said at one point they had

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physical bodies and physical iterations

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but eventually they learned to transcend

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the physical realm altogether and of

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not be detectable for people looking

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whatnot on the physical plane

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so that gives you some ideas in terms of

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where they might be assuming again that

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life should be out there

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but again that initial question around

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what are the chances that they would

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have technology so similar to ours if

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they really are coming from extra

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civilizations potentially even extra

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yes indeed the chances are very low and

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i think we should be suspicious of that

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in fact people like jacques vallet have

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made that very point suggesting perhaps

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therefore the et hypothesis is too

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simplistic that something more complex

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and in his words interesting is what's

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all right time for our next question

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hi exo thank you for your research and

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conversations in regards to this topic

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i had an experience in 2010 in new

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zealand which i now understand to have

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been a ce5 event

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in a nutshell i asked in my mind for

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proof of ufo existence and then pointed

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my camera in the sky

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in the very first shot i captured a

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photo of a structured craft with a

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pattern of lights and other anomalous

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details

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it was not there in the sky before or

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after i clicked the button but seems to

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have materialized just for this moment

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i did not see or hear anything at the

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actual moment of taking the photo

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my mind blew several times as i

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processed what had happened

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not only did i get personal verification

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of ufo slash uap reality

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i also had to wrap my head around the

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fact that they had demonstrated

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capabilities of some sort of time

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manipulation and mind reading

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even after 12 years i am often still

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shaken when i think about this and

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freely admit that it consumes a great

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part of my life slash time

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which leads to my question

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how does one move on from an experience

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like this

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the inevitable questions of who what how

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why seem unanswerable yet burn fiercely

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there is every extreme of theory slash

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explanation available

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what are experiencers supposed to do

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with their proof of god only knows what

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again i thank you any thoughts would be

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appreciated

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again another excellent question and a

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fascinating encounter that is reported

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here

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and i want us to pay close attention to

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what he said here quote i asked in my

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mind for proof of ufo existence and then

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pointed my camera in the sky in the very

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first shot i captured a photo of a

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structured craft with a pattern of

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lights and other anomalous details it

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was not there in the sky before or after

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i clicked the button but seems to have

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materialized just for this moment

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i did not see or hear anything at the

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actual moment of taking the photo

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unquote

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now this is really fascinating now of

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late i've been talking a lot about the

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nature of reality and how data arising

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from the ufo phenomenon and

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paranormality in general is suggesting

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that our current mainstream working

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model of reality is not only incomplete

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but also woefully misguided

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i think the details of cases like this

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demonstrate this point to the nth degree

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it's one thing for someone to send an

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intent to commune with ufo intelligence

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at some appointed time in the future

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it's another thing entirely for this to

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happen

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instantaneously

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this suggests our intention impacts

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reality i believe this is because

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ultimately the physical stuff that we

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think of as reality is really what's

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manifesting in a kind of shared dream

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space

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and again i think cases like this are a

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perfect example of why this is the case

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again if he was communicating with some

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sort of spacecraft out in space and

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saying hey at a certain time at 9 00 pm

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will you meet me at this place and

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manifest in the sky

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that's one thing that could be something

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we would expect within our current space

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space-time construct understanding of

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mainstream reality

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but in this case he asked

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instantaneously for something pointed

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his camera and managed to capture a

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photo so it's not even that it just was

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projected into his consciousness as

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again some people have suggested might

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be happening here no in this case

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instantaneously he sends out an

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intention and then is able to capture in

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our supposed physical reality an actual

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photograph

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again i think what this points to is

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that what we think of as the physical

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world is ultimately not really that

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that's the appearance to us that's how

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we experience it but ultimately it's a

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mindscape a dream space that we share

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and that some of these others can

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interact with that dreamscape with that

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mind space can interact with our

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mentation process directly but the key

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is that reality follows the mentation

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not the other way around

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so again notions like time and space

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that's how things appear to us that's

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how we experience them but that's not

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their ultimate nature i think the

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ultimate nature is more like a kind of

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shared dreamscape as i've said again you

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can think about a dream when you're in a

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dream it feels real it feels like it's

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happening on a certain progression of

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time the time scale has a consistency to

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it space feels real there and yet we

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know none of that is actually physical

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in and of itself it's actually a

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projection of mind stuff ultimately

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that's what happens when we dream and

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what i'm suggesting here is that our

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everyday waking world is the same we

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just don't realize it

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and i think cases like this one point

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squarely in this direction

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now in terms of how one moves on from an

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experience like this

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i feel for you here this is a conundrum

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that most experiences go through many do

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anyway it's the ontological shock we've

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talked about many times because the

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implications are very often paradigm

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shattering

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but i'm concurring with that here i'm

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saying a new paradigm is in order that's

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what this data is suggesting

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i don't see any other way around it

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in my case this has been easier because

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i see this being supported by diverse

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but convergent lines of evidence arising

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in quantum mechanics which showed 100

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years ago that consciousness impacts

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reality directly

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and fields like the neuroscience of

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consciousness

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lines of evidence in parapsychology have

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been pointing in this direction for over

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100 years so it's not like i'm

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postulating this hypothesis about

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reality being ultimately mental mind

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stuff to make sense just of the ufo

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phenomenon data no i'm saying diverse

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but convergent fields are all pointing

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in this direction that's what makes the

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hypothesis

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so explanatory powerful

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all right on to question number three

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which is worded as follows

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as we move forward how much of an aha

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moment do you think the collective minds

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will have in understanding we have built

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our reality based on outdated parental

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cultural information

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that while it is comforting to have a

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sense of history and respect for what

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has come before us

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the future is being able to see what we

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haven't seen before literally

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the current metaphor the universe is

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showing us is how people can be fed the

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projected reality from a very

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controlling mind sociopath psychopath

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and they base their reality on what they

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are told afraid to question it

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from russia to north korea to

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authoritarian religions

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we as a global society are just now

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learning to identify those in our groups

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who are manipulating the reality of

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others to protect their fragile egos and

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their desire for power over others

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as a contact tea this is the purpose for

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being here lessons assigned and lessons

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learned we are able to see things as

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they are rather than how we've been told

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they are and understand the difference

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in the end the data point you allow in

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your mind becomes your reality be it

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false or true

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yet another insightful and

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thought-provoking question

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and this again speaks to what i was just

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referring to

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now some will question this arguing if

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reality is really what we make it why

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can't we fly on a whim or walk through

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walls like jesus or aliens can

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well first off we live within

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overlapping shared mindscape slash

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dreamscapes and when it is a shared

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inherited mindscape it is being

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strengthened and maintained by a very

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ingrained feedback loop

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it has a kind of inertia that makes

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fighting against its reality construct

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very difficult

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however it can happen clearly we have

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examples of this as i already pointed to

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jesus and aliens

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interestingly the implication here is

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that as more people learn to see reality

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this way

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the less this strengthens the energy

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feeding the feedback loop

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and what does this eventually lead to

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a dissolution of the boundaries of the

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construct in other words reality

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maintains its supposed objective

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strength its solidity only as long as we

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believe in it when enough people begin

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to question it then that inertia lessens

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and the construct itself begins to

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dissolve

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would say that happens over time

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something else i'd like to say in

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regards to this comes down to a podcast

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episode i did on spiral dynamics and in

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that episode i talked about how

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different world views different

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consciousness levels come online over

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time and the way that people see reality

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changes and i would suggest also along

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with what i'm saying here

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that reality itself changes that the

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construct is to some degree a mirror

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image of the conception

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so again as i pointed out in that

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podcast episode what is self-evident

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truth will vary depending on your

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worldview the very way you see the world

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and also the way actually the world

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reflects itself back to you the way

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reality is actually constructed around

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you

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and along with that we sometimes see

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something called the pre-trans fallacy

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what this means is that if you've

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transcended to a new level to someone at

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a lower level it actually might look

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like you've regressed to a previous

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level and that's because they can't see

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beyond the ceiling of their own

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consciousness level so if you've

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transcended that that literally doesn't

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exist for them it's not part of their

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mental map

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that's what this person was talking

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about here when this is new literally

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new and for someone who's not there it

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won't even exist yet and so they'll

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often misidentify it as a previous level

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a previous construct so they'll think

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someone's being magical in their

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thinking as if they're regressing to

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kind of a stone age kind of thinking

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when actually it's a transcension and an

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inclusion embodied in a higher level of

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all right time for our next question

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which is worded as follows

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does the literature indicate a strong

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relationship between an experiencer's

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nature positive slash negative or state

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of mind peace versus turmoil and the

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nature of their experience if so what

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are the implications of this information

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for our understanding of the phenomenon

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another great question

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yes there is a correlation there i've

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talked about this on numerous occasions

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what we prime and experience with often

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does produce demonstrably different

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kinds of experiences with the ufo

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phenomenon

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but very importantly this is not only

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true of the ufo phenomenon this is also

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true of out-of-body experiences and to

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some extent near-death experiences

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and is certainly true of drug induced

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experiences as well

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like when people are under the influence

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of psilocybin or dmt

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all of these are subtle reality states

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and as such are impacted changed and to

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some degree written by way of the nature

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of the energy we bring to them that we

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invest into them

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again this revelation points squarely at

566
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,159
reality it's not that these experiences

567
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,559
are less real they are simply more

568
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,880
malleable because they are not subject

569
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,960
to the inertia of the consensus

570
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,360
consciousness feedback loop

571
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,360
again what i'm saying here is that it's

572
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:49,840
not that our normal waking reality is

573
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,960
immune to this kind of influence by our

574
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,120
energy it's just that it is held

575
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,000
together strengthened sustained by a

576
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,720
collective consciousness that we all

577
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,200
contribute to and therefore any one

578
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,440
person's individual influence is not

579
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,200
going to be as strong

580
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,919
in these subtle reality states this is

581
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,080
the case that the energy we bring really

582
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,400
can prime the experience either for the

583
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,960
negative or for the positive and by the

584
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,280
way this also is true when it comes to

585
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,280
something like lucid dreams for instance

586
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,600
when you prepare to have a lucid dream

587
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,520
you'll be told that it's important to be

588
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,520
aware of your energy to go in with

589
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,919
positivity if you have a lot of negative

590
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,280
energy or

591
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,919
doubt or fear it's often suggested that

592
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,840
you try and work through that first

593
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,840
transmute that into a different kind of

594
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,400
energy more positive or at least neutral

595
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,720
before going into a subtle reality state

596
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,200
like a lucid dream because again the

597
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,919
energy you bring ends up being written

598
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,240
into the plot so to speak of what you

599
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,360
experience

600
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:53,760
and yes this is true also of the ufo

601
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,720
phenomenon very interesting

602
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,480
and the implications go beyond what

603
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,159
we've mentioned so far

604
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,000
there is very interesting data that's

605
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,280
come out of research into reincarnation

606
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,760
there have been academic studies done in

607
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:09,919
the united states where they basically

608
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,280
gather information data pertaining to

609
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,360
cases where people have really strong

610
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,159
memories of being reincarnated

611
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,760
and what they find when they are

612
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,679
actually able to track back the previous

613
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,280
lifetime match it up with a new

614
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,240
iteration and see how long the gap was

615
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,360
between

616
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,080
lifetimes what they have found very

617
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,679
interestingly is that there is a

618
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,760
difference depending on where you are in

619
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,720
the world for instance in asian cultures

620
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,520
the length of time in between lives is

621
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,200
different than what you find in north

622
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,679
american cultures now when you think

623
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,919
about this it seems that the data is

624
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,679
suggesting that the cultural

625
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,799
underpinnings themselves seem to play a

626
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,000
role i.e can impact and to some degree

627
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,039
author the nature of the in-between life

628
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,320
states what entities are seen etc as

629
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:02,880
well as how long the interval is in

630
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,320
between incarnations so again yes the

631
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,760
energy we bring

632
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,919
really does play a role in many

633
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,760
different ways not just in terms of the

634
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,159
ufo phenomenon not just in terms of

635
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,840
out-of-body experiences but also

636
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:17,600
near-death experiences

637
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,039
lucid dreams even what we experience in

638
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:23,919
between lives can be impacted by the

639
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,880
energy we bring both as individuals and

640
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,000
as collective cultures that we belong to

641
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,559
again very very interesting

642
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,720
and i hope you're seeing the overarching

643
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,039
theme in this episode in many of these

644
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,039
different questions the way i've

645
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,000
responded is indicating again the

646
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,240
reality is much more malleable than we

647
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,559
have long assumed it to be and that it

648
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,520
is not primarily physical that the

649
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,600
supposed physical nature of reality is

650
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,840
more like the appearance of it think of

651
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,559
the physicality more like stage props in

652
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,480
a staged production

653
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,880
meant to play a role but not ultimately

654
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:01,840
real

655
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,720
or at least not ultimately foundational

656
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,360
mind or consciousness is what is primary

657
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,000
that is the substrate to the physical

658
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,039
and energetic processes that arise on

659
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,279
the stage so to speak

660
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:17,919
but underlying it it is a mentation

661
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,720
process a shared mentation process and

662
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:23,760
we both as individuals and as collective

663
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:26,960
units can impact it can even write its

664
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,440
very plot at least to some degree

665
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,200
all right time for our next question

666
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,440
which goes as follows

667
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,960
is there a frame of reference or

668
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,960
historical context that could help us

669
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,880
shed some light on the bizarre

670
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,120
phenomenon of wolf-like creatures

671
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,520
appearing to people who have come close

672
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,919
to the phenomenon how might this relate

673
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,400
to the idea of a thin veil between

674
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,400
dimensions

675
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,240
another great question of course it fits

676
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,760
perfectly with what we've been talking

677
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,640
about today the overall theme

678
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,120
now what i would suggest is dimensions

679
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,000
are different fields of mentation

680
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,320
some fed by and sustained by fewer

681
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,799
inputs and some fed and sustained by

682
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,440
greater inputs but what's ultimately

683
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,159
dividing these different aspects of

684
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,200
reality these different dimensions are

685
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,760
mental processes that this is all about

686
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,799
mind

687
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,279
now the wall slash barriers slash

688
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,440
boundaries between these fields of

689
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:28,080
mentation or dimensions if you like

690
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,440
are porous

691
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:31,760
and some intelligences evidently know

692
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,360
how to traverse these divides with ease

693
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,360
now interestingly what seems to happen

694
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,600
is that sometimes when one kind of

695
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,080
intelligence passes through that porous

696
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,320
barrier it seems to

697
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:46,799
put a foot in the door so to speak which

698
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,240
allows a variety of intelligences

699
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,120
entities different fields of mentation

700
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,200
or intelligences belonging to those

701
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,080
dimensions to come in as well so that's

702
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,559
why you sometimes find ufos and then

703
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,400
suddenly you find sasquatch-like

704
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,360
creatures or dinosaur-like creatures or

705
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,159
seven-foot tall wolf-like creatures that

706
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,159
stand on two legs often and have

707
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,320
sometimes been spotted smoking

708
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,799
cigarettes leaning against a light post

709
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,720
sounds bizarre but this has been

710
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,200
reported by credible witnesses and was

711
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,520
part of the study done

712
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,159
by asap funded by the united states

713
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,480
government as depicted in the book

714
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,880
skinwalkers at the pentagon

715
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,520
now what i'm suggesting here is that

716
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,200
regarding these different kinds of

717
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,399
entities they are all coming through

718
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,279
a door that's been held open so to speak

719
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,520
a porous boundary between these

720
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,360
different fields of mentation these

721
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,360
different mind spaces these different

722
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,000
dreamscapes that we sometimes think of

723
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,159
as dimensions

724
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,760
but again i think dimensions is

725
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,159
sometimes the wrong word if we mean it

726
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,880
in terms of strong physicality strong

727
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,039
objective physicality being the root of

728
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,279
reality i don't think it is i think

729
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,600
again mind consciousness is what

730
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,960
ultimately authors what we experience

731
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,880
and in that sense a dimension is more

732
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,200
like a field of mentation or a mind

733
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,679
space or a dreamscape

734
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,679
but in terms of these porous boundaries

735
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,600
that emerge in the same way that i said

736
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,480
before that our collective mentality

737
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,039
creates the energy vortex

738
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,200
that strengthens and sustains this

739
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,960
feedback loop that gives us our

740
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,799
experience of reality

741
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,039
in the same way when one entity has

742
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,919
passed through these mentation spaces or

743
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,480
these dimensions if you like that

744
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,640
actually strengthens that energetic

745
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,679
signature so that it's more possible for

746
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,919
other entities other intelligences

747
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,240
coming from different mentation spaces

748
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,279
or dimensions to use that same corridor

749
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,520
or that same porous boundary that's what

750
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,440
i think we're finding when we look at

751
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,120
things like portals in a place like

752
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,120
skinwalker ranch

753
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,880
i also want to make the point here as

754
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,720
i've said before on this podcast on

755
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,200
numerous occasions i think multiple

756
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,039
players are involved in the ufo

757
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,960
phenomenon i think different actors are

758
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,360
involved with different sources or

759
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,399
origins so again extraterrestrials may

760
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,240
very well be in the picture i think they

761
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,559
likely are i'm just saying that when we

762
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,880
talk about interdimensionals and them

763
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,360
being in the picture i think the notion

764
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,880
there in terms of dimensions uh that's

765
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,799
attached to the idea of a parallel

766
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,960
universe which again is still a product

767
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,200
to the same underlying physicalist

768
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,200
paradigm and so that's why i think

769
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,880
actually that's a bit of a misnomer i

770
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,679
think

771
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,679
a dimension in this sense is more like a

772
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,000
field of mentation that again these

773
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,720
different places of mind mindscapes

774
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,799
dreamscapes if you will

775
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,159
i also want to make the point again that

776
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,960
when i say i believe what i mean is i

777
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,640
think this is where the evidence is

778
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,480
clearly pointing that this is not just

779
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,120
my opinion and not just in terms of the

780
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,679
data arising from the ufo phenomenon and

781
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,679
other forms of high strangeness

782
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,520
but this is the evidence arising from

783
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,440
the foundations of physics and the

784
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,520
neuroscience of consciousness so again

785
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,360
diverse but converging fields of

786
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,200
evidence are all pointing in this

787
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,480
direction where consciousness is primary

788
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,279
where mind stuff is what reality is

789
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,080
ultimately composed of

790
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,000
lastly i think it's important to add

791
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,919
that this is a lot to wrap our heads

792
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,399
around again we've been taught certain

793
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,799
things and certain notions of reality

794
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,080
have existed

795
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,919
in our consensus reality and what's

796
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,679
communicated to us through mainstream

797
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:33,840
media and whatnot and mainstream

798
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,120
academia for a very very long time

799
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,200
and that's the case even though as i've

800
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,120
been pointing out for a while now there

801
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,120
is mounting evidence suggesting that

802
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,320
that mainstream conception of reality is

803
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,960
not correct it's not just slightly in

804
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,480
error but actually

805
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,440
misguided at its root that ultimately

806
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,200
the physicalist paradigm or

807
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:57,039
reductionistic materialism whatever you

808
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,600
want to call it is ultimately untenable

809
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,919
so what am i saying am i saying we are

810
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,320
on the cusp of a revolution are we about

811
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,039
to see a mainstream acceptance of these

812
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,480
notions

813
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,720
not likely not in the short term

814
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:14,640
although we are beginning to see a

815
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,159
fraying of the previous confidence in

816
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,000
the mainstream notion of reality the

817
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,480
physicalist paradigm ironically many of

818
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,880
the people who ardently

819
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,600
passionately defend physicalism

820
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,159
don't actually fully understand it

821
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,320
and in that sense they're more defending

822
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,440
a tradition or a dogma than they are

823
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,519
evidence that they actually feel is

824
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,880
strongly in support of their notion

825
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,519
now to experiencers i would point out

826
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,360
that while the experience can be

827
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,640
uncomfortable

828
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,840
can be ontologically disturbing

829
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,320
can be difficult to incorporate into

830
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,240
your everyday life

831
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,399
just take heart that in many ways you

832
00:32:02,630 --> 00:31:59,440
are pioneers forebearers of what will

833
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,640
become a recognized understanding of

834
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,799
reality eventually

835
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,480
this will happen even though it will

836
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,640
take some time and again those who

837
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,960
really understand this have known this

838
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,120
for a very long time

839
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,120
i'll leave you with the words of quantum

840
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:17,919
physicist niels bohr who in the early

841
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,039
20th century said of quantum physics and

842
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,279
specifically the revelations around

843
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,640
consciousness and reality he said quote

844
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,799
if quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly

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shocked you you haven't understood it

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yet unquote and of course many of those

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early quantum physicists became mystics

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precisely because of the revelations

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arising from their field of scientific

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study looking at the very root of

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reality itself

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and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition of the point of

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convergence podcast

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within the blue ridge mountains of north

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